>>>>Therein lies the evil with businesses to big too fail. Conveniently for them…they have made loans to people who have no savings, and then it becomes a moral issue of not kicking these poor souls out onto the street.

>>> No, greed did not just pop out of nowhere. However, it has not always been held as the right way to run a society like it is now. It’s kind of like saying, “well murder has always happened, so lets just make it a law that you have to murder.” Just because it has been around for a long time doesn’t make it right and best.

>>>>I don’t think capitalism has anything to do with making a law that says to be greedy. At the root of it, it is really about you doing the best to meet your needs by producing a quality product or being the most productive you can be, while in the process providing a good that another needs or wants. In the process both benefit, you benefit by making money to support your family, and the other person wins by getting a quality product. Is it a open door for greed? Of course. I just don’t understand how you punish greed in the courts system.

>>> Yes Mr. Realist. Everyone realizes that a majority of people do not live altruistic lives. In fact, THAT is the very reason we even have laws. Laws don’t follow in line with what the vast majority is naturally inclined to do. No, they’re created and enforced to help and protect people. And just because nobody actually follows the speed limit, doesn’t mean we should get rid of it and encourage everyone to drive as fast as they can with no thought to anyone else on the road.

>>>> …yep.

>>>Nobody said that Christians should force other people to uphold Christian values. I merely pointed out that like in many areas, the Biblical way is not only ethically right, but is also beneficial to society. Also, the Bible informs (hopefully) everything that I do, think, and believe. And while I can’t force morality on people, I CAN offer my opinion on whatever I want, which will probably reflect something from scripture. SO, there’s a difference between saying, “You can’t get drunk because I believe it’s unBiblical,” and saying, “Based on the Bible, I believe this way of governing would be the best.” Anyway, I have incredibly little faith in government anyway, and will not waste my life trying to “fix it.”

>>>>I honestly see your point, I just think it’s been proven that the government, who is full of corrupt politicians, can never allocate resources as efficiently as a free market economy. Before anybody, including myself, is going to want to help other people, they have to have their life changed radically. Love God, Love people.

>>But we aren’t survival of the fittest anymore, remember? We printed up money out of thin air to save companies that should have failed. Why would you want an ineffective company to survive?

>>> So… my mortgage is through Wells Fargo. Well, if we just say, “You screwed up (like practically EVERYONE did), so you just have to go bankrupt.” Then, what happens to my mortgage? Do I lose my home? What it if I’m at a worse place financially than when I bought my home, and nobody will give me a new loan? See, I agree that we shouldn’t reward stupid business decisions on behalf of these companies. However, there are little people like me and millions of others who you have to think about before you allow every bank and lender who made unwise decisions to go belly up.

>THAT is the problem with the economy as much or more so than interest rates, the fed, or our ridiculous two-party system.

>>It’s been the problem since the beginning of time…it isn’t like greed just popped up out of nowhere and brought calamity upon us.

>>> No, greed did not just pop out of nowhere. However, it has not always been held as the right way to run a society like it is now. It’s kind of like saying, “well murder has always happened, so lets just make it a law that you have to murder.” Just because it has been around for a long time doesn’t make it right and best.

>How can a society truly prosper when each person looks out for their OWN good instead of the good of the society as a whole?

>> Capitalism recognizes the reality that the vast majority isn’t going to look out for society as a whole. As bible followers…christians can/should act like that, but you can’t force others to.

>>> Yes Mr. Realist. Everyone realizes that a majority of people do not live altruistic lives. In fact, THAT is the very reason we even have laws. Laws don’t follow in line with what the vast majority is naturally inclined to do. No, they’re created and enforced to help and protect people. And just because nobody actually follows the speed limit, doesn’t mean we should get rid of it and encourage everyone to drive as fast as they can with no thought to anyone else on the road.

>… that’s funny… that sounds like scriptures found throughout the entire Bible… hmmm

>>By the same standard that our generation says “Jesus wasn’t a politician” or “We never saw the early church trying to change the government,” we can’t say “well…the bible says this so that’s how would should structure the economy for the entire nation.”

>>>Nobody said that Christians should force other people to uphold Christian values. I merely pointed out that like in many areas, the Biblical way is not only ethically right, but is also beneficial to society. Also, the Bible informs (hopefully) everything that I do, think, and believe. And while I can’t force morality on people, I CAN offer my opinion on whatever I want, which will probably reflect something from scripture. SO, there’s a difference between saying, “You can’t get drunk because I believe it’s unBiblical,” and saying, “Based on the Bible, I believe this way of governing would be the best.” Anyway, I have incredibly little faith in government anyway, and will not waste my life trying to “fix it.”

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can’t wait until we have hundreds of these things. Haha.

>>But we aren’t survival of the fittest anymore, remember? We printed up money out of thin air to save companies that should have failed. Why would you want an ineffective company to survive?

>THAT is the problem with the economy as much or more so than interest rates, the fed, or our ridiculous two-party system.

>>It’s been the problem since the beginning of time…it isn’t like greed just popped up out of nowhere and brought calamity upon us.

>How can a society truly prosper when each person looks out for their OWN good instead of the good of the society as a whole?

>> Capitalism recognizes the reality that the vast majority isn’t going to look out for society as a whole. As bible followers…christians can/should act like that, but you can’t force others to.

>… that’s funny… that sounds like scriptures found throughout the entire Bible… hmmm

>>By the same standard that our generation says “Jesus wasn’t a politician” or “We never saw the early church trying to change the government,” we can’t say “well…the bible says this so that’s how would should structure the economy for the entire nation.”

By the way… had fun in Nashvegas. Later, weiner.

This looks very much like something Tyler J would’ve done as a little boy.